Talking Points #10 "Shor"

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      The author raises the fact about education and how it does so much relate to politics. Also, how it is just like the real world and there are different things you need to do to survive in the real world, and to realize the politics that take forth everyday. The first major issue she raises is participation. There are different ways to get students to participate, and it is a major role in the schooling society. For a student to achieve they should be active sometimes participate in either the discussion, or the involvement with the teacher or other students. If there are problems in getting the student to participate, there are many different ways. In this article it gives different sitautions to use in order to get a student to participate. It is a good way to get the students to interact. Participation allows for the students to maybe get a different look and view on things, if he/she doesnt understand. It also allows the teacher to know if the students do understand as well. Here is also a video of whole brain teaching which is a method used to teacher and allows for participation.
        The author expalins many different methods of teaching in this article. She explains different ways to get through to different students. One method that I feel all teacher should use that will work is teachers learning from student learning. This will allow for the students maybe teach the teacher something that he/she does not know. Whehter they do it indivually, or as a class, there is always something the students could teach the teacher. It will maybe improve her teaching habits. Or, by using different methods, this will allow for the teacher to learn by the way the students react to it, if it was a positive or negative style of teaching. A teacher with different methods may be the one that is able to get through to her students. Teaching in a social enviroment allows for the students to interact and learn in different ways that are sutiable for them. If the teachers are unsure there are different website and articles like teacher vision to guide them and get them started. All of this ties back into what the author is trying to say. I beleive that with different styles, and methods it allows for student to learning and get them ready for the real environemnt. Therefore, in class I would like to discuss just how much school is like the real world, and does it compare to the situaitons and daily activites on goes through each and every day?


 
       

Talking Points #9 "Kiewer"

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         Kliewer does remind me and prtray two different articles that we have read in the past. The first that I feel he portrays is Collier and Finn & Oakes. I  will talk a little about how I feel he portrays Collier. In Kliewer's article he talks about the kids being in certain classes considered as special Education. This is because people may beleive they may not be able to do same things as a normal person. I beleive they are right and wrong. They may not be able to do everythign as a normal person, but they certinly can try. They should be given the ability to try and maybe be placed in some classes that will suit them and help them out in life. They are just like everyone else trying to succeed in their goal. Also, it is separted in and out of the classroom by their diabilites. They are either placed in certain classes, or require certain assistance throughout the schoolday. Just like in Colloer, except of them having certain diabilites, they have language barriers. Which may force them to be placed in a different classroom, or recive special treatment. Am I saying they shouldn't be placed in different classrooms? No, I just beleive that every once in a while they should be placed with normal kids and let them learn off of them and with them. It may give them a jump and help them out in life.
        This was the same with Finn and Oakes, but they talk about tracking in the schools. This is like tracking in a way as they are seperated into different calsses by their abilites or disabilities. I feel that if you want every to have the same chance then they should all be given the same chance and treated equal in different ways. There may not always be an answer in public schools. Some students with disabilites may be given better opputunites in different types of schools. Here is a video that talks about different families that goes to special schools and different school in order to help their diabilites to the fullest and help them trying to fit in and be equal. The video will show different parents talking about their children. What I would like to discuss in class is do all schools offer services for students with disabilites?

Talking Point #8 "Finn and Oakes"

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             Jeannie Oakes is basically talking about tracking, and why she disagrees with this theory completely. I was never really introduced to tracking, but now after reading this article I am aware what it was, and further more reading Oakes lead me to complelely agree with her on tracking. They are doing it I feel like she said for no reason. As she said "The rich gets richer, and the poor gets poorer". I just feel as if it is not helping out at all. She tries to fight for the fact that tracking is not good in stating different alternatives to tracking. She also says that "Academic ability is not unchangable, but developmental". The only way a student will learn is to be around others that learn like and different from him. He can take the advantages and disadvantages of each. Just to show she is not the only one on this, I found another article that talks about this problem to, and some things to do to take advantage of it. The article shows different techniques or practices in tracking and how it takes place in school.
       Literacy is major for everyone no matter if you are in the upper class, or working class states Finn. There should be a place where it should all meet and come together is her argument. She is basically saying that if people want to be successful everyone needs to help out eachother in school. Whether you are rich, or poor, you need to help out eachother in order to be successful in both literacy and school.
           Both of these authors make their arguments clearly stated. They say what it is like, and what they beleive it should eventually be like. It may and may not change. But, I do agree with what both of these authors are saying. To be able to exceed and survive in the schooling environment everyone needs eachother, and should not be sepearated into different groups. I would like to discuss in class a little more about tracking, and would like to find out just how much tracking takes place in different school settings?